An application to build retirement center in Ticknock (requires re-zoning or getting application in through a planning variation ("What's that?" "Hmmm, um not sure.") is back before Dun Laoghaire County Council yet again. Someone is being very persistent and has lots of local councillors (but thankfully not all!) on side.
An application to build retirement center in Ticknock (requires re-zoning or getting application in through a planning variation ("What's that?" "Hmmm, um not sure.") is back before Dun Laoghaire County Council yet again. Someone is being very persistent and has lots of local councillors (but thankfully not all!) on side.
In 2010 the County Manager went into detail and recommended that planning permission be not granted.
http://www.dlrcoco.ie/files/DevPlan2010_2016/Managers_Report_Feb10.pdf FEBRUARY 2010
17.19 SLO 97: Retirement Village - Ticknock 5
Recommendation
Remove Specific Local Objective No.97 from the Draft Development Plan.
But it has risen from the ashes and appeared again as "Variation No. 9" to Dun-Laoghaire Rathdown Co Co Development Plan 2010-2016. Submissions invited deadline this Fri. Eep.
To me, the site seems a bad location a bit isolated from local community with much better locations unused all over south Dublin. You can drive to it fine but location would be much better if you were in a local town/village/community. With local shops. Public transport. Friendly neighbours with a lovely mix of ages, races and creeds! :) There are many existing developments down the hills a little bit more built upon and not built upon which have low or no occupancy due to economic downturn. Just climb up Three-Rock from Ticknock and look at the view! :) Remember to bring along your NAMAland or land planning zone maps!
http://www.walkspace.org/namaland/about.html#source
http://thestory.ie/2011/07/30/nama-enforcement-properties-mapped/
http://www.dlrcoco.ie/aboutus/councildepartments/planning/findit/developmentplan2010-2016/
Interactive map. Yay. Oh. Ouch. Note 1/10/12 - The Online Mapping Facility is undergoing essential maintenance and is not available at the moment.
http://212.147.136.137/DLRdevelopmentPlan/DevPlanViewer.aspx
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To: Director of Planning,
County Hall,
Marine Road,
Dun Laoghaire.
Date: Wed 10 Oct 2012.
Dear Sir/Madam,
With reference to Retirement "Village" at Ticknock - Variation No. 9.
I would like make this submission.
I think Independant Living housing in a center with services for retired and elderly is a good idea.
But I think the location on this site is a very bad idea.
* The location of this site seems to me to be a bad location for the Retirement Village.
It would be much better located near or in an existing town or village center.
There is already much zoned land as yet unused as well as developed or partly developed land unused where a better location would be found.
For Independant Living access to a regular village center with shops, services, public transport and integrating with local community is very important.
The site will have services for elderly and possibly a local shop but this is limited and will not support a true village or community.
The location is not near and doesn't integrate with a local center of population or existing village.
The location is a car-dependant location for access to anything off site.
The location isolates the retirement village and would make it much less attractive to independant living individuals.
The grange road itself is narrow, limited footpaths, fast traffic and carries lots of vehicular traffic during week and on weekends.
The turn onto grange road from site is a difficult turn to make onto main road, nearby corner blocking fast moving traffic from Lambs cross direction.
The local roads and footpaths have steep slopes.
In recent estates which have been built in the area steep roads and footpaths are common and these can be difficult for young and old alike.
Especially considering the development is for fit individuals moving to less able accessibility is important for walkers, wheelchair users, young visitors.
A flat site with flat access to site to close-by community would be much better.
Much already available zoned land in Dublin is flatter.
The location in Dublin foothills has been prone to some weeks of lasting ice and snow over the last winters.
As a resident in Leopardstown Heights on the Green we have a little slope compared what is in newer developments locally.
Ice and compacted snow have remained on roads and especially on footpaths for over a week every year for past few years.
Very pretty and fun but especially a problem for elderly people.
Flatter site and closer to existing community and village is important.
* The Retirement Village does not seem to fit into any of the permitted in principle categories.
It is not a real village though village is in the name,
The development is not big enough to support a real village shops and services.
Integration with an existing community and village center would provide real services and benefit community in both ways young to old and back.
To me, the site seems a terrible location with much better locations unused all over south Dublin.
It would be doing especially a bad service to residents of this development to allow this to go ahead and then find themselves isolated.
Yours sincerely,
James Coleman,
37 Mount Eagle Green,
Leopardstown Heights,
Dublin 18
invitation for submissions:
http://www.dlrcoco.ie/media/media,8611,en.pdf
location site maps: immediately off to right if you turn up (awkward road to exit from) towards Ticknock from grange road, right overlooking motorway.
http://www.dlrcoco.ie/media/media,8613,en.pdf
http://www.dlrcoco.ie/media/media,8614,en.pdf
Permitted in Principle*
Agricultural Buildings, Boarding Kennels, Caravan Park-Holiday, Cemetery, Community
Facility, Concrete/Asphalt (etc.) plant in or adjacent to a Quarry, Home Based Economic
Activities, Industry-Extractive, Open Space, Place of Public Worship, Public Services,
Rural Industry-Cottage, Rural Industry-Food, Travellers Accommodation.
not a community facility as it doesn't connect with local community, a tenuous connection at best
as a public service location would be much better in many sites all over dublin
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Southside People: Councillors pave the way for nursing home plan
Dublin people: Concerns raised about retirement home plan
SouthSide people = Dublin people articles
http://www.dublinpeople.ie/article.php?id=1668&l=100
http://www.dublinpeople.com/assets/graphics/publications/Southside%20People%20July%2020%202011.pdf
http://buckplanning.blogspot.ie/2011/02/councillors-to-decide-future-of-planned.html
http://www.mlaw.ie/newspaper-archive/10095
When the development, proposed by the landowner Rod McGovern, was initially discussed at council, on November 19th, 2009, it was rejected outright by councillors following a recommendation by county manager Owen Keegan.
However, a week later, on November 23rd, councillor Tom Joyce (FG) and councillor Tom Murphy (FF) proposed a specific local objective for the site to allow for the development and councillors from both parties voted for it.
http://www.build.ie/national_news.asp?newsid=122823
http://www.dlrcoco.ie/newsevents/latestnews/title,8623,en.html
http://www.dlrcoco.ie/aboutus/councildepartments/planning/findit/developmentplan2010-2016/developmentplan2010-2016variations/
http://www.dlrcoco.ie/media/media,8611,en.pdf
http://www.dlrcoco.ie/files/DevPlan2010_2016/Managers_Report_Feb10.pdf FEBRUARY 2010
17.19 SLO 97: Retirement Village - Ticknock 5
(i) Support the Retirement Village:
• Close proximity of ageing population
• Close proximity to amenities e.g. Dundrum
• Draft Plan fails to accommodate and provide for the elderly
• Serviced land unfit for agricultural purposes.
(ii) Oppose SLO 97:
• Non-accessibility by public transport
• Dependence on private transport
• Remoteness from community services
• Setting a precedent for development south of M50 at this location – visual impact
• Contrary to zoning objective of ‘B’-zone
• Sufficient zoned residential and other development land within County that could support a Retirement Village
• Impact on Dublin Mountains, including h e r i t a g e , f l o r a a n d f a u n a
• Impact on safety, efficiency and capacity of national road infrastructure.
(iii) Minister’s submission (no. 301) queries the proposed development’s consistency with development ‘Permitted in Principle’ or ‘Open for Consideration’ under the zoning objective ‘B’: “To protect and improve rural amenity and provide for the development of agriculture.
Recommendation
Remove Specific Local Objective No.97 from the Draft Development Plan.
The vote on that recommendation: Lab vote for, FG and FF and Ind vote against.
http://www.dlrcoco.ie/Meetings/2010/CountyCouncil/Mar10_Special.htm
Following discussion the Manager’s recommendation was PUT.
A roll call vote was then called for which resulted as follows:
An Cathaoirleach, Councillor M. Baker declared the Manager’s recommendation 1.19 (i) (ii) (iii) DEFEATED.
For:9 Against:15 Abstain:2
COUNCILLORS: AGAINST(FG+FF+Ind) FOR(Lab+PBP) ABSTAINED(ULA)
Against:
FG Bailey, John F.
FG Bailey, Maria
FG Baker, Marie
FF Brennan, Aoife
FF Devlin, Cormac
Ind Fox, Tony
FG Hand, Pat
FF Horkan, Gerry
FG Joyce, Tom
FF Murphy, Tom
FG O’Dea, Jim
Ind O’Keeffe, Gearóid
FG Richmond, Neale
FG Saul, Barry
FG Ward, Barry
For:
Lab Bhreathnach, Niamh
Lab Dillon Byrne, Jane
Lab Fitzpatrick, Stephen
Lab Humphreys, Richard
PBP Lewis, Hugh
Lab McCarthy, Lettie
FG Mitchell O’Connor, Mary **
Lab O’Callaghan, Denis
Lab Smyth, Carrie
Abstained:
ULA Boyd Barrett, Richard
Ind Boyhan, Victor **
Absent:
Lab Culhane, Aidan
Tick missing in doc: ???
FG Marren, Donal
http://www.dlrcoco.ie/Meetings/2011/CountyCouncil/Jan11.pdf
This vote in Jan 2011 is interesting too. Who did What. Mostly the same people voted for the village (i.e. FG and FF and Independants). ** marks people who changed support.
Motion to add italicised part defeated (because didn't have 66% yes (close though!)).
Permitted in Principle*
Agricultural Buildings, Boarding Kennels, Caravan Park-Holiday, Cemetery, Community
Facility, Concrete/Asphalt (etc.) plant in or adjacent to a Quarry, Home Based Economic
Activities, Industry-Extractive, Open Space, Place of Public Worship, Public Services,
Rural Industry-Cottage, Rural Industry-Food, Travellers Accommodation.
*Subject to compliance with the relevant policies, local objectives, standards, and
requirements set out in this Plan, the following land uses in association with a retirement
village; residential (independent, assisted and convalescent living), ancillary medical and
related uses, associated retail, pharmacy, restaurant, care centres, community facilities
and village centre uses are “permitted in principle” under Zoning Objective B within
those areas covered by the Specific Local Objective No. 97 relating to lands at Ticknock
shown on Development Plan Map 5.”
COUNCILLORS: FOR(FG+FF+Ind) AGAINST(Lab+PBP) ABSTAINED(ULA)
For:
FG Bailey, John F.
FG Bailey, Maria
FG Baker, Marie
Ind Boyhan, Victor **
FF Brennan, Aoife
FF Devlin, Cormac
Ind Fox, Tony
FG Hand, Pat
FF Horkan, Gerry
FG Joyce, Tom
FG Marren, Donal
FG Mitchell O’Connor, Mary **
FF Murphy, Tom
FG O’Dea, Jim
Ind O’Keeffe, Gearóid
FG Richmond, Neale
FG Saul, Barry
FG Ward, Barry
Against:
Lab Bhreathnach, Niamh
Lab Culhane, Aidan
Lab Dillon Byrne, Jane
Lab Fitzpatrick, Stephen
Lab Humphreys, Richard
PBP Lewis, Hugh
Lab McCarthy, Lettie
Lab O’Callaghan, Denis
Lab Smyth, Carrie
Abstained:
ULA Boyd Barrett, Richard
Total: For:18 Against:9 Abstained:1
An Cathaoirleach, Councillor L. McCarthy informed the Members that two thirds of the
Council had not voted in favour of the proposal to suspend standing orders, therefore the
proposal was DEFEATED.
Phoo. Close.
Who? http://www.dlrcoco.ie/aboutus/councilbusiness/listofcouncillors/
Who? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%BAn_Laoghaire-Rathdown_County_Council
Who is the developer that wants to put Retirement Village up in Ticknock?
The landowner is Rod McGovern. https://www.google.ie/search?q=Rod+McGovern
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